Speaker 1: 0:00

I'm drinking it now You're lying by the way, I'm good Okay.

Speaker 2: 0:12

Thank you.

Speaker 1: 0:15

I'm at Bro.

Speaker 2: 0:17

And he's here with Lexi Vanu.

Speaker 1: 0:19

We are in a different location today. We are in. Well, I'm in South Carolina, here with Lexi at VillainsCon 2024 in Rock Hill, south Carolina Definitely a different type of area than you're used to. Most of the time I'm just sitting in a chair, chilling and relaxing. Been here used to. Most of the time. I'm just sitting in a chair, chilling and relaxing, not a big, huge glare in the back of the behind me or anything like that, and no kids in the background. So, as we said, since we are in, where are we? Oh, and Phil's gone. This episode is kind of going to be around villains and kind of just to be around villains and kind of just what if villains did win? And a lot of it's probably going to be off the cuff shit. It's just the way that we go, it works and it's just the way that it is.

Speaker 2: 1:17

I swear you guys. We had a meeting beforehand to like get topics. But you know how we are. We just kind of go off the cuff A lot of stuff that we do. It's just the way that it is.

Speaker 1: 1:31

Let me check something here.

Speaker 2: 1:37

That's what I thought. Oh, it just doesn't look like us.

Speaker 1: 1:42

That's exactly what I thought. Okay, now that should be better. There we go. Oh, it just doesn't look like us.

Speaker 2: 1:44

That's exactly what I thought, okay.

Speaker 1: 1:45

Okay, now that should be better. There we go. Oh shit, wait what?

Speaker 2: 1:50

It does not work out, it's really late, that's why Hold? On Right.

Speaker 1: 1:57

Right, all right, yes, okay, okay. So let's do this. Hold on, you guys. Difficulty this is what happens when you're not in your regular atmosphere. Let's see.

Speaker 2: 2:36

Let's see what in the world I have the slightest idea, what? It's called Plug it in just directly. Yeah, that's right. I don't know, because it's like lighting up no.

Speaker 1: 3:12

It's not even Okay, hold on, it's just not even like sinking it closes.

Speaker 2: 3:22

Yeah. And then how was the con? We haven't really done much. We're going to do much afterwards. Change output volume Okay, that's good.

Speaker 1: 3:43

That's cool Okay. I said if we could Change output volume. Oh okay, it's good, that's cool, okay, so now let's see if we go back to Input no, the input should be. That's the input. The output should be the speaker. But we don't want the speaker up now because I mean it's muted. Oh okay, yeah All right cool it's muted.

Speaker 2: 4:07

Okay, alright, cool, I think it sees it, but it's just not. It might be, oh, now it sees it. Close up.

Speaker 1: 4:27

That's through the phone, but I don't think it's picking up let's see hello okay, okay Is it picking it up. Yeah, okay, okay, straight as hell.

Speaker 2: 5:07

Well, I mean it's Twitch. Yeah, okay, cool, all right, okay, just remember to put up like five seconds. Yeah, that's all.

Speaker 1: 5:19

I'm going to do that and let me, can you, can you text me the so I can put it on the screen.

Speaker 1: 5:32

But, like I said, you guys, we are at VillainsCon. It's not the biggest con, which isn't something that's new. I've been to small cons in Durham and stuff one-day type shit, you know what I mean. So nothing too crazy, but you know it's somewhere to start and, like I said, we're going to be talking about villains and, like I said, sometimes it's going to be about the cuffs type shit. So the way that we usually start these things out is that we start with what have we been up to since we last talked? And it's been two weeks, yeah, about two and a half weeks, because we didn't do an episode this past week, because we were doing this one. So this is why. This is why we're doing this one now. So I will start. You're doing something for me this past week. Should I talk about that?

Speaker 2: 6:34

Yeah, go ahead. I mean you're going to do a part.

Speaker 1: 6:37

We're doing an episode on it, but you can give them a free.

Speaker 1: 6:41

I got fucking laid off. I got fucking laid off. I got fucking laid off. It's tech. It's the shit that we talked about before. You never know when it's going to happen. No job is secure depending on the field that you're in. It shook me for a minute, but after talking to friends and family and stuff, it kind of it was. Actually I think it was more of a sign to kind of go into stuff that I'm actually interested in and actually want to see, actually want to do and try and go from there. I think the biggest thing is that it's that it just happens. You can't do anything about it, you can't change anything. You just got to deal with that shit and go. I got my severance, so that's cool.

Speaker 2: 7:36

I'm so mad that he got his severance this quick and we'll talk about it in the next podcast, but just now I mean it was cool, it was good.

Speaker 1: 7:45

So I know some companies don't even give you severance at all. So you're kind of just out there in the water just fishing and trying to find out what to do. But, like I said, we're going to have a podcast about this anyway and kind of see where it goes. So, yeah, but I'm going to be. We'll talk about it in the next podcast. But I have some things on the way coming up and just kind of got to just take the risk and kind of just see what happens. That's all you can do. I'm not a risk taker at all because it scares the shit out of me, but sometimes you just just gotta do that shit and just go for it.

Speaker 2: 8:27

I think when you have a good support system.

Speaker 1: 8:31

The family is there. Yeah, so you have that.

Speaker 2: 8:34

Some people don't have that I understand why they don't take risks. But you have that there, you taking that risk. I think you'd be okay.

Speaker 1: 8:45

And that was the one thing. I talked to Dan there, the people that are still around. I talked to them and kind of told them what happened. That was kind of what they said. Your support system won't let you fail. You're not supposed to rely on them at all means, but they're there for you when you need them. I think that's kind of the big thing. It was just a shock that happened, drove back up to Maryland to see family and stuff like that. I've been going back there soon again. That's about it. You know, just back on the applying the job, I just don't know what realm of tech I want to go into, because crypto is. Crypto is very right now.

Speaker 1: 9:44

Right now, ethereum is at a standstill because there's an election year going on. Until we know what happens or who wins the election, that'll dictate a lot of stuff when it comes to crypto. If you have one side, that's really for it, gun-hole for it, yeah, let's do it. You have another side that's like yes, let's do it, but that's also. We don't want it to be so free for everybody. We're going to have to add some type of rules and regulations to this, and that's kind of the opposite of what crypto is. So, yeah, it's kind of just a really big thing that you kind of just have to wait and see, and that's why they kind of let go.

Speaker 1: 10:24

It's like almost 165 people that got let go out of 800. So it just happened to be one of those people and that's just the way shit goes. There's not much that you can do about that. But yeah, that's what the fuck's been going on. That's what's been going on with me. But other than that, what, that's what was going on with me. Um, but other than that, what about yourself? What have you been up to? Don't look at me like that.

Speaker 2: 10:51

I knew it was coming. Job wise and career wise. Oh no we'll talk about that on the next podcast. We're going to be positive At this moment.

Speaker 1: 11:00

And um.

Speaker 2: 11:02

Talk about where I've been, so I'm just getting. Two weeks ago I went to New York for a wedding. You guys where I've been, so I'm just getting. Two weeks ago I went to new york for a wedding. Um, you guys know we've been talking about that and I went to a wedding and I saw my little nephew for the first time. He is so cute. Um, but no, no kids over here we're not having those but it was really fun. I've been to New York before, so we did do Subway or any of that, because I've already done that. I did not know that we have dispensaries everywhere Anyway proceeding on.

Speaker 2: 11:44

I did go to my favorite ramen restaurant. That's in Georgia. They have them in New York. It's very different there, though, and the ramen was not as good. I was disappointed.

Speaker 1: 11:57

What did you get so?

Speaker 2: 12:00

my favorite ramen is Takatsu Ramen and, unfortunately, in New York, the restaurants that they have have three in New York.

Speaker 1: 12:08

Three in New York excuse me.

Speaker 2: 12:09

Yeah, and none of them have Takatsu ramen. Yeah, they have. Like they make like specialty ramen, yeah, like. So the only thing I got close to it was this ramen that was made out of like pork and chicken, right, and it just didn't. It didn't taste well, oh wow.

Speaker 1: 12:30

Jesus, how much was it?

Speaker 2: 12:33

I spent almost $50. Anyways, back to minding our business. What? It wasn't just ramen, because I got ramen and then I got the pork buns those are always good and then I got some drinks. It was like $50.

Speaker 1: 12:52

Gotcha, okay, that's not bad.

Speaker 2: 12:54

I was like holy shit $50.

Speaker 1: 12:56

That's a lot of money, jesus. Please Excuse you guys. I'm trying to post stuff and get shit going, um so please excuse me.

Speaker 2: 13:09

um well, somebody waited last moment to be like we're gonna go live, actually live, live while we it happens, it's fine. I think people understand um you think, yeah, for sure, oh, while he's doing that, you guys. So the place that we're at, have a really good like cider and like it's called peach from okay well, I need you to like find that, because I need this in my life. It's really a little bit.

Speaker 1: 13:42

It's not. It's actually kind of sharp, but not too alcoholic, and it's not like beer either, so it's actually pretty good. Well, like I said, since this is VillainsCon and it's just the, yes, it's VillainsCon but it's.

Speaker 1: 14:02

I don't know how to put this Because it's not, like I said, it's not the biggest con. So it's the first year of it. You know what I mean. You gotta start somewhere and it's not too bad. Like I said, we haven't been downstairs to the vendors and stuff like that, yeah, for sure, but it's not too bad. So I guess, kind of on that road of villains and stuff like that, yes, we had a, as she said, we had a meeting about this and what can we talk about and all this shit. But on the way over here I was, I actually got the.

Speaker 2: 14:43

Tell them about your first time riding in a Tesla. No, I want you guys to hear this one, so first time ever riding in a Tesla is crazy.

Speaker 1: 14:51

I told Lexi, if you take your hands off that fucking steering wheel, I'm going to throw you out that fucking window. And when I tell you we were on that highway and she let go of that fucking wheel and it just started to go, I was like, okay, this is crazy, but it wasn't too bad. I even took like videos and stuff for, like, I actually sent a video to my mother and my sister.

Speaker 2: 15:21

So you're out here taking videos.

Speaker 1: 15:23

No, no no, because I remember when I told them that you got it, they were like I don't know what it says, but being inside of that joint, being inside of it, is fucking amazing. It's actually not bad. It looks like a fucking spaceship, a lot of leg room. It's not crazy or out of the norm or anything. It's actually really really nice. The only thing is self-driving and oh, it turns. That's some scary shit. Self-driving, turning car is some scary shit, because I was like this thing turns by itself. She was like, yeah, and it also parks by itself. But it's not that great, it's not that great, so like we're doing.

Speaker 1: 16:07

Can it go over?

Speaker 2: 16:08

Yes, it can. But so when we got here, there was like electric, like parking spots, and like I was trying to park in it and it saw like the parking spot on the dash. So we had like selected that to do the self-parking. And when we're doing the self-parking it was trying to get in the spot next to it, not the one that we selected. So we was like cancel, cancel, and we just want to find another spot. Why? And then another? It's not the greatest, but it does do its job. We were getting here and we need to go straight and it was trying to put us in the turn lane and so I had to cancel it and get us to go the way that we needed to go.

Speaker 1: 16:57

So, yeah, Overall, it's not bad. I get it. I do get it. It's convenient if you live in certain places Right. If you don't live in certain places, then it's not that convenient and you're going to be stuck. You have to charge your shit yourself If there's no like supercharger or anything around you. You're going to become stuck in the middle of nowhere. Oh, another thing is we got shirts. Yeah, got shirts made, got stickers.

Speaker 1: 17:28

It's a business card. It's got stickers made too with the QR code. I will say my stepmother has had bad experiences with Etsy, but I will say I had a pretty good experience with this and the person that made this did really fucking well um I mean it's kind of like a hit in the mix like ipad or qz to me.

Speaker 2: 17:47

Actually, I think there's only one product that I just never got good. All the others I've gotten on time, and the family. Like I remember when I ordered my cowboy depot um neon light, I was like what do you want? I sent him the picture. He said okay, and then it was something about the picture that he asked. He was like do you want this in? And I was like no, and then it came out perfect.

Speaker 1: 18:11

Was that the same person?

Speaker 2: 18:12

No, no, Not the one that made your stickers.

Speaker 1: 18:16

No, I mean some of the ones that makes your stickers. No, I mean the one where some of the women get the same. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, but no, oh, okay, I gotcha. And the shirts and the hoodies actually came out pretty good too. One of the big things I have to give some props for is that. She was like in the beginning I want to get a logo that looks good on merch, and this actually does look pretty good on merch.

Speaker 1: 18:40

I actually changed the color of the logo, because it's usually this, but changing it to the pink and the purple actually worked out really well.

Speaker 2: 18:46

Our designer did a good job.

Speaker 1: 18:51

He did really good. It's just been so much shit going on. Like I said, we can talk about millions. I guess the big thing I was thinking about right here was like when what do you?

Speaker 1: 19:06

yes, there's a definition of villains, but in your, in your mind, what do you consider? Who do you consider like a villain? Villain like you have? I think there are different levels to being a villain. Like Doomsday is a fucking villain he's horrible. But then you have some people that are just like. They're supposedly villains, but they're kind of like Classic man in DC. Classic man was a villain, he was a bad guy. After being put in jail multiple, multiple times, he actually became a good guy and now he's part of the justice team and shit like that.

Speaker 2: 19:45

But I mean you're going to have those villains that kind of reform and like you have those villains that like they're a villain but for like an actual positive purpose, like Mr Freeze. We all know why Mr Freeze is a villain and I think my definition of a villain is somebody that's just doing evil, just to do evil. There's no goal, there's no positive reason why they're doing it. They just want to hurt people. To hurt people.

Speaker 1: 20:19

I'm sitting here off the top of my head trying to sit and think about villains that are actually just like pure evil. Just to hurt Most of the villains that we see coming with wives and all that shit, they usually have some type of backstory that makes them do something, that makes them do what they're doing for a reason. Some villains do, but I don't like now when I think about like in that definition, I think more of like a Jamie Lannister who was just fucking evil in the beginning, you know, fucking his sister and shit and he had a change of heart right on.

Speaker 2: 21:01

I would think more of like fucking was his face that died, Jeffrey that died. He was just evil, he was just a small-ass brat.

Speaker 1: 21:10

Also, that was a case of his innocence. He was just it's not even that.

Speaker 2: 21:14

He was just evil to be evil. There was no reason for him. He had money, he had the clout, he had the status.

Speaker 1: 21:24

He was just bad to be bad. Master, that's a good one. Yeah, that's a really good one. That's a really good one, and I also think like sorry to stay on Game of Thrones, but it's so many people within Game of Thrones that were like evil as shit, but they kind of had to change their art later down the line, like the Hound, the Hound.

Speaker 2: 21:41

But then again I don't know, yeah, the Hound. But then again you have to think about the opposite. Look at fucking. Yeah, she wasn't necessarily good, but she was okay at the beginning and then at the end she just got.

Speaker 1: 21:55

But Cersei was just evil, Just straight guy. But Cersei was just evil, Just straight. Just from season one to down. There was never a time that I saw Cersei in an episode and was like you know what I really feel for that woman.

Speaker 2: 22:10

No, never. She was pure toxicity.

Speaker 1: 22:15

Never felt for that woman at all, even when it came to her children and she cared about her children so fucking much. Never felt for that woman at all, like even when it came to her children and she cared about her children so fucking much. It was just like I really don't give two shits about you and your children, because you're a piece of shit, literally a piece of shit, and I don't know when it comes to like even their dad, though, was a piece of shit, so it's just like oh, you're talking about the first.

Speaker 1: 22:42

Damn, I forgot his name. Was he a Baratheon? Yes, he was a Baratheon. Yeah, that series is so fucking hot Because I'm not watching House of Dragons?

Speaker 2: 22:55

I'm not either.

Speaker 1: 22:57

Targaryens are cool, but I really don't give two fucking shits about that lineage or that history.

Speaker 2: 23:03

We all know what happens at the end.

Speaker 1: 23:05

Somebody ends up fucking Zomag, and there you go. That's what happens. That's what happens. It's like oh. Boris, you're right, ramsey was fucking evil too, ramsay was fucking evil too.

Speaker 2: 23:21

He was just evil, yeah, and Cersei really didn't have to. I guess she wanted to see everything you know get in a good place, but like that wasn't good enough, like he knew he was gonna get there eventually anyway.

Speaker 1: 23:33

So but Ramsay. Ramsay was evil because he was mad that his father wasn't in his life to the point where he was in with the rest of his brother's existence. He was supposedly just the bastard and his father just brought him in just to kind of save face and just be like okay, yeah, you're my son, show me that you're my son. But he was just fucking evil, like insane.

Speaker 1: 23:59

Dogs. He deserved to get his face ripped off by the dogs, for heaven's sake insane. So there's a lot of villains. You can Some people. There are some villains that you're like. Okay, I get that you're a villain and I also get the stance that you're standing on.

Speaker 2: 24:21

Just because you got a bastard in the knee, you got to beat people to your heart.

Speaker 1: 24:28

I get that. Oh my God, it really Like when you think about like Killmonger and think about how he was the villain.

Speaker 2: 24:41

But he had a reason behind it.

Speaker 1: 24:44

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 24:46

I mean, he was the bastard son of King Wakanda, so he just let.

Speaker 1: 24:52

Yeah, but also I think that's a running theme in Black Panther, Because the second one that came out weren't they evil? For a reason I didn't see it.

Speaker 2: 25:04

The second one. No, His sister took over and like they were trying to do it what it was, it wasn't evil. It was just like his sister took over and was like running everything or whatever he really didn't want to do it anyway. He had to step up and take it in. Wow, but that's my definition of a villain, but what's your definition of this?

Speaker 1: 25:34

My definition of a villain is like like fucking. My definition of a villain is like like fucking. My definition of a villain is like Marlo from the Wire. Seriously, Marlo was a fucking villain. Marlo was a villain and I know we're talking about like whatever Villain's a villain Marlo was a fucking villain. Marlo, Snoop and Chris those motherfuckers were villains getting a high-powered carpenter like staple nail gun and like killing people with that.

Speaker 1: 26:13

Marlo was a villain that couldn't. He wanted something more than being on the streets and then realized that, oh, I'm gonna try to work so hard to get into this, these rooms of like, all these upscale people, but then the streets go back and call every time. Fucking Omar was something totally different. Omar had more. That's what it is. I think a villain does not have any fucking morals. I put it to you like that I don't think villains have morals. I think villains just do whatever the fuck they want.

Speaker 2: 26:49

Have you ever seen Juice? Yeah, okay, when you say it in that way, I think of Tupac, his role in Juice, because he was just he was just doing shit.

Speaker 1: 27:01

He was just a nugget.

Speaker 2: 27:05

No, he's really not. He's really not. I think if you're evil, you have to be somewhat on the crazy spectrum. Yeah for sure. Especially if you're just evil for no fucking reason like you gotta, you gotta do something you're missing.

Speaker 1: 27:27

I definitely get that, but I think the reason why I say there's a difference between being evil and being crazy, because I would say you can put Omar in a level of being evil, because he was going around killing drug dealers. Right, he was killing people, but he was only killing drug dealers, wasn't fucking with people that weren't in the game kids and women so anybody who was in the game was fair game, literally. So he wasn't crazy, but he was evil in the eyes of I don't know.

Speaker 2: 28:08

What about Debo, who was going around terrorizing people in the neighborhood?

Speaker 1: 28:14

Debo was fucked up. He had a little. I don't think he was terrorizing people no, he didn't terrorize people but he was kind of crazy. I wouldn't have fucked with him.

Speaker 1: 28:23

I think that I remember I can remember my uncle telling me back in the day growing up in the property and shit, where there's a certain motherfuckers you don't fuck with. Motherfuckers that had lazy eyes as a kid, motherfuckers that had lazy eyes as a kid, motherfuckers that had a list when they talked do not fuck with them because they will fuck you up. And you never fuck with the motherfuckers that or had a whole bunch of brothers and sisters and they'll come and jump your ass and then fuck you up. Right? But Vivo, yes, was a villain and Craig did everything he could to take that brick and beat the shit out of him.

Speaker 1: 28:59

And beat the shit out of him.

Speaker 2: 29:00

And beat the shit out of him and you had to go to Rancho Cucarama to recover that.

Speaker 1: 29:05

So, but then when you, I think, depending on the genre, so when you think about anime, do you see a lot of anime villains that have like more or less more. If you were to say anything about certain alibaba villains, like I don't see a lot of them, like would you consider? Would you consider what was his name? Aaron?

Speaker 2: 29:33

From um. Yeah.

Speaker 1: 29:37

Was he a villain?

Speaker 2: 29:39

You know you're asking the wrong one because I didn't get past season one of Attack on Titan. Y'all can kill me in the comments for it, I don't care, I just didn't like Attack on Titan. And Y'all can kill me in the comments for it, I don't care, I just didn't like the Capcom type. And when I got it Aaron was still technically the good guy.

Speaker 1: 29:53

Okay, what about Vegeta?

Speaker 2: 29:59

I don't view him as a villain because, I guess he was just standing up for his planet, and then he was just standing up for like his planet, you know, and then like he was just trying to find Kakarot. So no, he is not necessarily what I would consider a villain in the story. Now, fraser, on the other hand, that's Desivus.

Speaker 1: 30:24

See, the thing about that is when they came out with the whole tournament of power thing between the different universes and stuff like that. Frieza was part of the team and Goku was in Vegeta's universe and he actually showed some signs of actually not being evil. Now, I'm not saying at the end he did try to do some too big kanabid shit, but um.

Speaker 2: 30:54

There you go. I mean, like he's not a, he's not a villain Vegeta's not a.

Speaker 1: 30:58

You know what. You know what. You know what made Vegeta not be a villain? What Pussy it was Bone he saw. He walked into he saw Bone and he said you know what, you know what. Let me go ahead and let me put this villain shit aside. I need a wife, I want some kids. And he went through that and became probably the best father in anime that you've ever seen.

Speaker 2: 31:26

I mean, he is better a father than Goku, so hands down.

Speaker 1: 31:31

But I think that's what made him angry. It wasn't because he wanted Goku to.

Speaker 2: 31:37

I think he had a family. He settled down. He was like this ain't good for me, no more.

Speaker 1: 31:42

Yeah, for sure At that point.

Speaker 2: 31:44

He had a family to protect, so I understand that I mean at that point, he had a family to protect.

Speaker 1: 31:48

So yeah, I understand that, I definitely understand that. But I mean, it's so many villains that you gotta think about Now. Do I have a favorite villain? No, I don't have a favorite villain like that, because I Do. I have a favorite villain like that because I Do. I have a favorite villain.

Speaker 2: 32:14

He doesn't, I do, I don't think, so Go ahead. My favorite villain, I guess anime, would be Thura from JoJo Bizarre Adventures, the whole JoJo Bizarre Adventures, the whole Jotaro line. No, actually was it Yosuke. What season was it? It was actually Yosuke's season. But like he's my favorite because he's really based off a villain, like he's based off Patrick Bateman from American Psycho and that's like like one of my favorite horror movies, villains, I guess, and movies of all time. And then his stay in Killer Queen is like the best. Yeah, it is not even just like his ability or whatever the case may be. He is my favorite Because like he's based off, like that movie.

Speaker 1: 33:15

You know that she likes serial killer shit. Literally. On the way here we listened to a podcast from a woman called Chip from Atlanta.

Speaker 2: 33:22

Yeah, we listened to Melan Mayhem. So it's this black girl named Renee Davis. She does this podcast about serial killers, and so the one we listen to, Melon Mayhem. So it's this black girl named Renee Davis. She does this podcast about serial killers, and so the one we listen to is where this guy was butchering these men on the stairs row and he would basically kill them, cut their heads and leave them with some salt and a cup of blood at the crime scene. I'm a true crime junkie so I mean, hey, that's probably why he's my favorite, but still.

Speaker 1: 33:56

It's to the point where we talked about this before where I can only speak for this. Every Black woman I know a lot of them all love the whole true crime shit, anything that deals with murder anything that deals with like my sister loves that shit, mom loves that shit. Like my sister right now is going through like this realm of like all the like, the Chicago, the Chicago.

Speaker 2: 34:27

Serial killers no, no, the Chicago Chicago.

Speaker 1: 34:28

Chicago FD, like the series and stuff, chicago Police one and all that stuff, and I'm just like I can't be watching shit like that.

Speaker 2: 34:37

Why.

Speaker 1: 34:39

It doesn't really intrigue me like that. I get it. I get it If that's the shit that you like to do. That's what you like to watch and do. It keeps you on your toes.

Speaker 2: 34:48

I mean, it's not even just that, it's just when you come to thinking about it. I know we're like off topic, but it kind of goes into villains, because you know these are real-life villains, Jesus you know. But like with true crime, it keeps you on your toes but also gives you that perspective that, like, everything is not hunky dory in the world. It takes away that veil of like, oh, you know, the world peaches and rainbows and nobody's out there suffering, but people are suffering out there, like you can't sweep that shit under the rug, and it also teaches you how to prepare yourself like okay.

Speaker 2: 35:29

What witnesses did we have in this particular case that this person got particularly like caught?

Speaker 1: 35:33

up in.

Speaker 2: 35:34

So I get why you know some people don't like it, but, like you, also got to realize the the positive in it. Like, without a lot of these, also without true crime content, some of these cases would have never been solved Right, because people would never know that it was a thing, this case happened and this person died, or they may know information about this particular person that did it.

Speaker 1: 36:03

Anyway, getting off my soapbox, no, but she's right, though, If you think. Okay, I literally saw a list. So, guys, yes, we are on Vanscom, but we haven't done an episode of it, so we're going to be talking about just random shit, so whatever. But I literally saw a list about the top most dangerous cities in America and I was looking at it just kind of glancing. I was like, oh shit, Baltimore's not on there, Great. Then I looked back on it it's number four.

Speaker 2: 36:39

I said you used purple cities on there too.

Speaker 1: 36:42

It's number four and I was just like Jesus Christ. It's just I don't know, man. There are villains everywhere. A lot of them are probably just looking at like literally shaking your hand, staring right at your face and all that shit, and you could probably never, ever fucking tell.

Speaker 2: 37:01

Go ahead. You can tell, okay, like if they got a major red flag or you know you get there and that vibe is off. Listen to the information, go the other way. But there are some people that just like are a sheep, like you don't know, like there's so many cases where like, oh, he was a family man, he had all these kids, and then next thing, you know, he annihilates the whole goddamn family and then boom, it's to the point where, like I said, I get it, I get why you watch those things, but I just like how, if you could go a whole day, like could you go a whole day just watching all of it?

Speaker 1: 37:53

I did that all the fucking time.

Speaker 2: 37:55

What the fuck you talking about? My YouTube right now is like subscribe, subscribe, subscribe. Jesus.

Speaker 1: 38:03

Christ, oh good, I can't do that, it's just not me.

Speaker 2: 38:11

I don't know.

Speaker 1: 38:12

It's just not for me. I can't watch any of that stuff, but I do think that. So what do you think? What genre in anything has the best films?

Speaker 2: 38:24

I don't know. I think for me I'm more of a comic book villain.

Speaker 2: 38:28

I don't know if anything is like. I get named comic book villains all day, like we were talking about in our meeting. Like Mr Freeze's origin story of, like how he became a villain. Like he did it for his, like his wife and trying to save her, or whatever. Or the Joker. Even the Joker isn't just I mean, depending on which origin story you go with but even Joker he's killing. Joker origin story he was a failing comic that just wanted to do right in the world and then shit happened. Now he's this fucking villain. Or you go with even the Joker movie the first one, because I haven't seen the second one and it hurt his ass. But even Arthur in that one he was just tired of being made fun, of being mocked, dealing with isolation in his life. That's when he became a villain. It's relatable to a lot of people. I can see why they're so popular.

Speaker 1: 39:29

I definitely get that for sure I do. I kind of agree with you. I like the comical villains a lot. I think some anime villains are pretty good, but what we know of anime is like it's usually a pretty like stencil type shit. It's usually like you know one bad guy and all these group of people come and take down this one. You look at Naruto, it's usually oh my gosh, this person is going to attack the whole city and fuck up everything and we need to stop them and they all come together as one big ass state or whatever, bring back motherfucking dead people and shit like that, come fight and stuff even if you look at like Dio from Jojo, like he was his, his daddy wasn't shit.

Speaker 2: 40:19

If you go from person, his daddy was not shit, um at all. So I can kind of get why, like he became a villain, but he just took it way way too far. Like, okay, you don't live with the Joestars and you're just causing terror for what? They are? Putting a roof over your head, giving you food to eat, and for no fucking real reason. Because Jonathan's dad owes you know, your dad a favor because he helped save your wife, but your dad really wasn't there to save y'all anyways.

Speaker 1: 40:55

So like, hey, like what made his dad so evil? Was his dad evil or he just was just a piece of shit? Gotcha, gotcha, gotcha. Okay, that makes sense. I'm not the biggest fan of like. It's kind of like with Disney.

Speaker 2: 41:16

He is a dick just to be a dick.

Speaker 1: 41:18

I do think that, like the Disney, like villains are I don't know. I'm not going to say they're the same, but I mean, goddamn, they're not like too crazy. They're not like crazy, to the point where you're just like, oh my gosh, that villain is Yo. I would love to see that Ursula is not on some scary type shit, she's just big and.

Speaker 2: 41:45

Okay, I guess what Disney feels like it's a kid artist, so you can't make them you know even freaking Maleficent.

Speaker 1: 42:01

I did not see that I love Maleficent my necklace I have on on New Year's from Maleficent.

Speaker 2: 42:07

Even she is evil, but she's really not evil. There's a background behind that, but it's like a really PG type version. But it's Disney, so you're not going to get what you expect.

Speaker 1: 42:24

It's just like you, look at Jafar, I don't know All the people in the Disney joints. It's just like you, look at fucking Jafar, I don't know All those people in the Disney joints. It's not really something that's like oh yeah, I get it. Okay, I will say this and this is off topic too I know a lot of people that are into Disney, and I know people that are into Disney. I mean when I say into Disney, I mean they go to Disney World every fucking year, right, you see them pass always.

Speaker 1: 42:52

Mickey Mouse ears have no problem going to Disney World, paying all that fucking money for food, doing all that bullshit. It's like the one thing that they do and that's your shit, that's your priority Do what you want, I don't give a shit.

Speaker 2: 43:05

So you're not going to use your microphone.

Speaker 1: 43:09

Do you?

Speaker 2: 43:09

if that microphone will do to the face.

Speaker 1: 43:15

It's fine, we'll do this, we got you, we got you and it's just. Disney. People are just crazy.

Speaker 2: 43:28

I will say I've seen some of them and but then again they'd like to forget that Walt Disney is a fucking tyrant. Yeah.

Speaker 1: 43:41

It's just.

Speaker 2: 43:42

He was a tyrant Anyway.

Speaker 1: 43:48

It's just I don't know. So, when it comes to this villain shit man, it's a lot to it. I mean, some have good reasons behind it. Some are, you know, just fucking evil for no fucking reason and just annoying and just fucking reason, and just annoying and just mean and just and just like just out of their fucking mind.

Speaker 2: 44:15

I don't know. But then you have those villains also that like they're a villain, but they have a positive feeling and they're in their mind of thinking, they think that their vision of the world is the correct vision of the world and like for instance, like Thanos, he had his vision of where the world needed to be and how he wanted things to happen, and so technically I mean you know we were like talking about villains that won Technically he is the villain that won.

Speaker 2: 44:50

He got what he wanted, got the dreams, stabbed that finger and like half of the population was gone, and so, like, even though that got reversed, I mean he still technically won in that instance, like he got what he wanted, he wanted, he got what he wanted. I guess for me it would be nice to know if that vision of the world was the correct vision of the world I got you.

Speaker 1: 45:16

I got you. That's true. So, like I said, you guys, we're all live here. We're about to sign off. Soon. I want to check out these vendors that are downstairs. I want to talk to them, see. If I don't know, maybe we can get them on an episode or some shit like that and talk to them and see how they got into doing what they do. Thank you guys for listening. Like I said, this is the first year of VillainsCon, Rock Hill, South Carolina. Hopefully we have a second. Thank you guys for joining us. We will talk to you guys later.

Speaker 2: 45:54

Bye guys.