Speaker 1: 0:12

oh yeah, all right, no countdown on none, just right into it shit right into it. Shit all right. Um, thank you and welcome to another episode of carolina otaku podcast. I am afro and I'm here with my co-host lexi um yeah, as you.

Speaker 1: 0:31

If you're watching the video, you can probably see that we're in a new format, just trying to test some things out, just seeing how maybe a different platform might work better and more cost efficient. So that's a big one. So, like I said, welcome back. You guys know how we usually start these things. What have we been up to since we last talked? Like I said, welcome back, and you guys know how we usually start these things. What have we been up to since we last talked? And I will start with Lexi what have you been up to? What's been going?

Speaker 2: 1:08

on? Doesn't really yeah Nothing?

Speaker 1: 1:14

Nothing, okay, we're going good.

Speaker 2: 1:20

Work is work.

Speaker 1: 1:24

Okay, cool, I would. Okay, I would probably say the same thing, but, as you all know, I'm looking for work and this shit has not been the best. Ran into a OK, so the situation. Ok, so ran into like a almost like a scamming situation, but I already knew what it was. I just wanted to follow through with it, right, and just see what happens. All right, okay, so the way this starts out is this company um, they had application on LinkedIn. Fill out the application. They send you an email, right, you don't talk to anybody through this whole process. Didn't talk to anybody. Number one you are interviewing for a position. You should be talking to somebody Call, you should be hearing somebody's voice, some recruiter or something. They sent me a questionnaire of technical questions and then, based off of that, they hire you.

Speaker 2: 2:30

You are a notice of scam.

Speaker 1: 2:31

Yeah, right. So I'm like because the thing that I was like all right, I sent you my, you guys have my resume because to do that, fill out the application and stuff, you guys have you know address and phone number and all that shit that's on there. So I'm like you can try to come here but I might get a bullet in your chest, but anyway. So going through it, it's like oh man, you have been approved, you will get a letter from the HR and right. So they send you this contract. Right, contract is way different from offer letter. Just, let's just put that out there. Two different things are different.

Speaker 1: 3:21

If you are a person who is a citizen of the United States of America, you need a offer letter, not a contract. Unless you are a contractor, there is no reason for you to be signing a contract if you're going on as a full-time employee, right?

Speaker 2: 3:40

second thing even as a contractor, you don't, you get an offer letter oh, yeah, okay, yeah, the company that you're going through?

Speaker 1: 3:46

yep okay, oh yeah, that's right, you do, you do. And then with um, with that in the, in the offer letter slash contract that they sent, they were like OK. So once you send a copy of your driver's license and I'm like, ok, right, driver's license still has the same fucking information that's on the fucking resume. It's really nothing crazy on it, right, information that's on the fucking resume. It's really nothing crazy on it, right. And then they're like we're gonna send you out some equipment and then we're gonna send you a check, and I'm like what?

Speaker 2: 4:24

what it doesn't make any sense right okay.

Speaker 1: 4:28

So then I was like, okay, this is, this is odd man. But then here's the here's the crazy shit. If you look the company Company website, straight, all that shit, everything is just like set up to the point where you're like, oh, this looks real as fuck. Linkedin account looks real as hell like 5000 people like this company. All this looks real as hell like 5 000 people like this company. All this it looks real shit, right. So what I did? I sent them questions and I was like, yeah, in the contract you guys are talking about getting a check and sending out equipment. But why? What's the reason for the check if you guys are sending out equipment?

Speaker 2: 5:12

that was the first question this was.

Speaker 1: 5:14

I sent this on monday we're.

Speaker 2: 5:23

Yeah, yes, sir. So um did that. I was like um, you know, you probably did this faster by checking there who is and see where the site was registered, because if it's a newly registered site, you know it's a scam oh, I know, I just wanted to go through the process just to see I read so much shit on linkedin.

Speaker 1: 5:33

It's so funny, um. But then I was like, yeah, so when it comes, like, if you guys want information, you know that the i9 form is gonna ask for more information, except for, like, not just the driver's license. Most of the time they ask you for social security or like a picture of your passport or something like that. I've heard anything so um, so that's one thing. Um, still waiting to hear back from another company and just a whole bunch of other rejections. You know, just the usual shit. Um, coming off of the holiday season, so it, you know, kind of gradually it's only the first week in December could gradually pick back up soon. Um, what else? Holiday season was cool. As you can see, I'm back, or at my house.

Speaker 1: 6:26

Yeah, um, it feels good to be back home. It does. Holiday was good. Went to my cousin's house Uh, um, holiday was good. Went to my cousin's house uh, he's a person that is now living in a rural area and he fucking loves it oh my god he loves it.

Speaker 1: 6:47

Um, and it was. It was cool seeing family got to see my uncles and all that stuff. Got to see another cousin of mine who I haven't seen in years and it was just nice. It was just nice, really really good shit. I didn't cook anything, didn't have to cook anything. I mostly do Thanksgiving, like my mother and sister come here and I'm usually up crack acid dawn to three in the morning prepping a brisket to go on a smoker and then I already have like sides, already cooking like just on some warm type shit, just making sure that they're just staying up there. Um, but other than that, it's been, it's been pretty good. Um, I will than that it's been, it's been pretty good. Um, I will say that this whole just I will say I'm happy that I think I said this before but I'm really happy that when I got, when I did get laid off, I was in Maryland and not here because, being in a house by your fucking self.

Speaker 1: 8:04

Nigga that shit. You're going crazy. Like I'm here applying the jobs and just cleaning up my place, right, I'm thinking about that. I have a second room changing. I got like two monitors in there that I don't use and I got this uh desk and I have like a uh, what is that shit called? A um stand-up desk that I can put on there and everything like that. So I might change that into like another like office type, bedroom slash type shit.

Speaker 1: 8:33

Um, getting prepped for Christmas. You know, I called my sister, my mom, like hey, what do y'all want on this menu? Um, so we, you know brisket, we're going to smoke some lamb. I'm going to do some figs. Uh, like a little smoked cheese, I want to. I want to smoke some cheese, just something to snack on. And, um, you know, mac, do some really good veg brussels sprouts or maybe some asparagus, something like that. Um, so I just wanted to knock that out. Get that out the way. I'm gonna try it, I'm gonna.

Speaker 1: 9:11

I'm going to attempt to make a cheesecake. It won't be my first time making a cheesecake, but I will say that, if you are going to look, some people can make a cheesecake, like nothing, with just the regular, like standard shit. You can, they can use their hand with that shit up. Man. Look, I need a kitchen aid. I need a kitchen aid, cause making a cheesecake is a lot of shit and that kitchen aid just makes shit just so much easier, especially when you got to whip that cream cheese, man. Look. But yeah, so getting the menu together, getting that all set up, and it's just. It's really good to be back home and I was out yesterday. I took the dog out last night and I was. It was pitch black and I could see every star in the sky.

Speaker 2: 10:04

That's when I was like, oh yeah yep, good to be back home yeah, I missed it I was like yeah, yeah I uh, I missed this.

Speaker 1: 10:14

yeah, I was like, yeah, I can't get this where back at home because, um, it's too many damn lights. So I uh, yeah, it's really good to be back here, for sure, for sure. But, um, how was your Thanksgiving?

Speaker 2: 10:29

It was okay, nothing really spectacular happened. Ate some ham and some mac and cheese was it good yeah, it was good. Good, I didn't have to lift a finger, so yay, um yeah, that was pretty much my thanksgiving good, that's all that's dope, did you?

Speaker 1: 10:54

you didn't do any streaming during that time, did you?

Speaker 2: 10:57

Nope, no, I have not streamed in like over a week.

Speaker 1: 11:00

Oh, okay, all right, that's what's up. That's what's up. Are you ready for the Christmas holiday?

Speaker 2: 11:10

Yeah, I guess Because I have no plans this Christmas, like I'm not traveling or anything, which is great Because it's my birthday's next month and I don't want to be traveling for that.

Speaker 1: 11:23

What's the Out of the country this time?

Speaker 2: 11:28

No, not out of the country I wish, but that's later on next year. Ah, okay, gotcha gotcha, gotcha that's what's up.

Speaker 1: 11:36

That's cool but you guys, I would say, in this episode it's probably going to be another random one, we had something planned. But you know, shit, shit happens stuff happens, life happens so we're bringing it again we'll definitely have, and next episode we'll definitely have something here for you guys that I think a lot of people would enjoy.

Speaker 2: 12:00

Um, that's not your sherry might, or is your sherry might? I just noticed it out of the blue.

Speaker 1: 12:10

So I, uh, I was. I had a lot of shit that I had to pack up in my truck because I bought a lot of stuff when I was there.

Speaker 2: 12:18

You left, it didn't you?

Speaker 1: 12:19

My mom. So my mother does this shit right, so she has some cleaners no no, no, she has some cleaners coming.

Speaker 1: 12:26

I left it on a chair, right, so she puts everything away and so it's not seen. And it wasn't until I was driving back down here I was like fuck, I forgot my mic. And as soon as I got home I was like ma, where, uh, where's my mic? I left it on the chair downstairs. She was like oh, yeah, that's what I wanted to tell you. Yeah, it's in the cabinet. And I was like, yeah, can you uh bring that down with you when you, uh, when you come down here? Uh, she was like, yeah, can you bring that down with you when you, when you come down here? She was like, yeah, but yeah, I had to go back to the old one and kind of just do it that way, which isn't bad. Yeah, I've been, I've been doing a lot of cleaning and so like started with my kitchen and like cleaning out like my pantry and just getting rid of shit that's just either expired or just not needed.

Speaker 2: 13:23

and when I tell you after I done, I was done cleaning out my pantry, lexi, it looked like a ghost town in that bitch it was okay, not gonna lie, or it's got cleaned out, like recently too, like is it's not empty, but like a lot of shit that was in there is just like gone and just like oh, I have space again yeah huh yeah, same same with the fridge.

Speaker 1: 13:53

Like I cleaned out, that fridge is looking spotless. Also this is a little rant Samsung, please, please, make it easy to take the glass out of these damn shelves in your refrigerators and not make it a damn fucking obstacle just to clean some damn glass.

Speaker 2: 14:14

I don't know why you have one of those. To be honest with you, like I would never get a Samsung fridge or a washer, I know people that used to work at, like, the Samsung call center down the road from when I worked at Verizon. Never, ever, ever, ever, ever.

Speaker 1: 14:29

I mean it hasn't been bad, it's just the cleaning part.

Speaker 2: 14:32

You just got to go a little bit extra mile. That's all you said it now.

Speaker 1: 14:36

And then what else? Clean out my spice cabinet. The spice cabinet was wild. Okay, uh, I got this. Just remember to just do that shit every six months. But people, please, clean out your spice cabinets. Like, just do it, cause you, if your spices are hard as a rock because you left that cap open, yeah, throw that shit out. There ain't no saving that. You got brown sugar that's stoned? Yeah, throw that shit out. Throw that shit out, man. Find ways to preserve your spices a little bit better, especially brown sugar.

Speaker 1: 15:14

I feel like you calling me out nah, cause it happened to me too, like I've had like the big ass, like fucking rock of you know brown sugar and you can't, you can't do nothing with that you can't do nothing with it.

Speaker 1: 15:26

Yeah nothing can't do shit, um. So yeah, make sure you guys like clean out your and do it now, cause you know the holidays are coming up and you know you're going to be packed with shit out going to the store buying shit, trying to get shit last minute on shit. Just knock it out. Knock it out now beforehand. I'm doing it now because, well, I got the time. I got the time to do it, sassy today.

Speaker 1: 15:56

Nah, I do. I sit and I think about like I don't know man, it's good, it's, it just feels weird waking up and not doing shit. I know it's a, you know shit happens, but it's just like I'm not the, I'm not the most optimistic person, because I think being too optimistic could like cause if you is, I feel like being optimistic could kill everything inside you. It really can. It really can, and I don't think a lot of people understand that a lot of shit is just fucking luck. A lot of shit is like if you really want to sit

Speaker 1: 16:49

here. Think about it. Yes, hard work goes into shit, but a lot of shit is luck. It's it's a lot of luck. You just you're just at the right place at the right fucking time and you're just lucky to be at that right place at the right time. There is no like true calculation or formula to get a fucking job. Yeah, you apply to jobs and shit and you get all these people that tell you yeah, do this, do that, do this and do that, go ahead I don't think it's necessarily just luck.

Speaker 2: 17:22

I think it's a combination of skills, luck and who the fuck you know. And it's just crazy because, like I remember, I was in a boot camp for when I was doing my security boot camp and we had like career, like things every wednesday or whatever, and like literally this lady that did it. It was great. But the part I just did not agree with is like she was trying to make it seem like like you to treat a job hunt like a social media influencer, and what I mean by that she was like mainly like on LinkedIn. You see it on LinkedIn all the time.

Speaker 2: 18:07

Yeah, trying to be an influencer on LinkedIn. Or like trying to kiss butt and like aka network, like I get it. But like things like that you know you have to do nowadays which is crazy to me like now we're at that point where, like your social media not not necessarily we know social media people like job applications, they, they read that, they look at that, but what I mean is more like you now have to act like, oh, I'm doing this. Or like, oh, let's good luck from this, you know, like just to get a job, like it's not so much like, solely on like skill anymore, because like you know I might have that people presence.

Speaker 2: 19:05

That don't mean I know everything, that I need to know how to do this job or whatever you know, but you're going to pick that person anyways because, like, oh, you know so and so-and-so vouched for them or whatever. Or you know they look whatever on like social, you know LinkedIn or whatever. So it's kind of like damn, but even right now, like job market is like ass, it's like complete garbage. It's so hard to find a job right now and so everybody's trying to find one. And right now we're in that phase of like ghost employment where, like you see the same role every fucking month and do you ever hire anybody or are you just collecting data?

Speaker 2: 19:55

You know, and now companies are like low balling and it's just crazy right now in the job market and something has to give.

Speaker 1: 20:06

Yeah, something definitely has to give, for sure, for sure. And I don't know if it's more of I don't know, I don't know, I don't know. You, you can't. We sit here and we, you know, you see, like I think I talked about this, but you see politicians and say, oh yeah, we created so many fucking jobs in the past month and it's like, where the fuck are they then? Either because they're not in the sector that I'm looking into and they're in a totally different sector, and you know, I guess it's good for that, but they're definitely not in this sector that we're talking about, as in tech and and it, I don't know man, it definitely has been, it's only. But still, a month is too damn long. A month is too damn long alright, did this work it?

Speaker 2: 21:13

it might take you a bit. It's going to take you a bit. I mean right now we're at the end of the year, so it might take you a bit. In this market it's going to take you a bit. Right now we're at the end of the year. They usually do higher during this time of the year. For the new year you have a better chance than other times of the year.

Speaker 1: 21:38

Like I said, I think it some luck does play into shit when it comes to this uh, job search. But you have to have all your shit together and interview well and everything like that. You know you have to know what you're doing and know how to talk and all that shit. You know. I think I guess the big thing that I know that I do is I interview well. Yeah, I believe I interview well and I think that's kind of like a really big thing. But it's also kind of figuring out where you want to go and do you could just apply to jobs that should be applying to jobs, but if you do that, you're just going to be wasting your time and just get a whole bunch of rejections, right?

Speaker 1: 22:26

If I was talking to one of my old managers at an old company and he was asking me so what is it that you want to do, I was like I wouldn't mind being like a manager for, like customer success or like something like that.

Speaker 1: 22:42

And he was like. He was like, okay, he's like, I'm gonna be real with you, I'm gonna be real honest with you, and I was like what he was like most of the time the best way to, because I told him I was like but you need to have manager experience in order to be a manager. Right, he was like that's, that's the big caveat, and most of the time most managers, most of the time, you become a manager from promotion, like within the company already. So let's say you're a senior or you're a lead or something. Most of the time you just get a bump up to that next position and then you start getting experience. It's rare for a company to it's like to hire somebody without that experience based off. Let's say you could have almost I don't know eight, nine, 10 years of customer support experience and all this other stuff. But if you don't, if you never like manage a team, I'm not going to pick you.

Speaker 1: 23:47

You're not going to get that it's, it's it could happen, but that's a big, big, big big good, yeah. Hmm, that's a big, big, big good, yeah. Um, and then he was like. He was like he's like, dude, managing people is not what you expect. He was like it, you're, he was like all that. He was like literally all that technical stuff that you got. Just throw that shit out the window throw that out the window.

Speaker 1: 24:13

You don't need it he said throw that shit out the window because none of that shit's gonna matter. Yes, it's gonna be some technical shit, but you're basically going to be a people person and how to manage people. And if you are a person that looks at people and you're like, why the fuck am I babysitting these 40 year old, 50 year old people, being a manager is not for you and as soon as he said that, I said you know what. You are right. I do not want to do that.

Speaker 2: 24:43

So you don't want to do that.

Speaker 1: 24:44

I do not want to do that shit because I know I would get pissed the fuck off. Right, I have I. We talked about this last time. We I have so much shit about. Like, I respect a really good manager but, as you can see, good managers are a dime a dozen.

Speaker 1: 25:05

Really good managers most of the time have probably a little bit of technical background, but they understand people very well. Like I said, one of my best managers named Jason. I'm pretty sure he had a degree in like religion and philosophy Right, it's so much shit with that, but the one thing that I kind of took from that is that he understands like people and I guess how people think and stuff like that. It's just the way that it is another manager, my other manager, tamar.

Speaker 1: 25:44

She was ex-military yeah and no what it showed yeah, yeah, oh for, but she wasn't like fucking. Like you know, it's a big difference between Israel military and American military, but she it showed, and when we were going to meetings it was more of her, just like, hey, you guys, this is the topic you guys talk, I'm just going to sit here and observe. You guys do what you have to do, and I respected the fuck out of that. And then if anybody had any questions or input, she would just jump in.

Speaker 2: 26:25

I mean, I've been in those situations Like I used to do point of contact work at one of my old jobs, so like, basically, when the manager is not there, I was a manager and he didn't. Like I used to want to be a manager, so not there. I was a manager and I hated. Like I used to want to be a manager, so bad there.

Speaker 2: 26:40

But after like doing that for a while and then just seeing like some of the managers and like where I worked, I didn't want to do it anymore because, like you, that's literally it. You're literally babysitting people and like at the time I was one of the youngest people on my team, so I'm literally babysitting like 30 and 40-year-olds. For what? Yeah, and then you also got to think about, like, depending on your team size, you're in charge of maybe 15 people and that's 15 different attitudes, knowledge sets, yep, personalities and like problems that they have that you have to deal with yeah and so you have to adapt and change if you're going to be a good manager right because everybody's not going to be the same now, everybody's going to receive the same, you know, feedback, the same type of way.

Speaker 2: 27:43

Um, so yeah, I I definitely dead of that dream um, that is not shit I want to deal with no, it's not.

Speaker 2: 27:52

And like he's right, like the best best managers, I think. For me, I agree with most, but I think the best managers I've had are managers that have been in my shoes and had done the role previously. Yeah, that that's when they start to feel like either they're like head honcho or either they start have a little grip on their shoulder and you can just tell and the interactions that you have with them, so it just yeah yep, uh it.

Speaker 1: 28:27

It's a man like, and when he I told him I was like dude, I got an attack. So I don't have to talk to people. Funny thing is that was the dumbest that was me when I was younger. That was the dumbest shit I ever said in my life Because, honestly, that is all I have been doing since I've been in tech.

Speaker 2: 28:53

Talking to people.

Speaker 1: 28:54

Right, talking to people, right, being on phones, through email people, that I'm like within the company, talking to meetings, all that shit. That's all I have been doing. So that's not going anywhere at all. Right, you're going to be talking to people unless you program or something like that, and even then, then they have to talk to people. You still be talking to people. So you really can't get away from that. Um, yeah, but I had that conversation and he was like yeah, dude, if you're not, he was like if that's not something that you're willing to do, like, deal with those different attitudes. He was like don't even go for it, because it's a it's. It's not for everybody. Everybody wants it, but it's definitely not for everybody.

Speaker 2: 29:43

Um, no, like I think I told you when, like we had a manager join like around this time last year, right, yeah, gone within a fucking month. And they hired him from outside gone within a month yeah, damn, that's a quick turnaround quick and they still didn't replace them Like there's still an opening, wow.

Speaker 1: 30:19

That's wild, that is crazy. Do you, when it comes to like, if you were in a job search, does like, does the whole like company, I guess, atmosphere, I guess. Or company like camaraderie and all that stuff?

Speaker 2: 30:44

Does that matter to you? I don't necessarily care about. I like some camaraderie. I'm not going to lie Like my current job. We really don't do that. Yeah, even though we're remote, like, we still have like a group chat and talk amongst each other. But a lot of like, a lot of places don't there's no like team, like camaraderie, hey, like how you guys today, you know, let's take a like off topic, like who saw, like no, right, know, right, um, but I mean, the main thing for me when I'm looking at a company is you never really know, because you can say one thing in an interview yeah and then you get there and it's just like completely different.

Speaker 2: 31:32

But it's how they treat their employees. And I also look at turnover retention rates, I look at layoff rates, things of that nature. I also check Glassdoor Blind to see how employees are talking about the company. I know you have that evil spirit in a person or whatever I'm going to talk evil about it. But a lot of those are not necessarily that you can tell the difference. But that's what I look for, because I don't want to be for a company that's going to treat me like shit, like I'm not a person, I'm just a number. I get it, all jobs do. But like there's some job that like why are you not sitting at your computer? You know, oh, you've been gone for like five minutes. Like I'm not, I'm not one to micromanage, I don't like it, please don't do it, and I'm gonna let you know that I'm doing it and then I'll let you know when I'm done, so like I.

Speaker 1: 32:46

I think that is probably okay. That's what makes a really fucked up bad manager micromanaging. Micromanaging is probably the biggest thing that makes a horrible manager, right? Okay, so I think I said this story before, but um, previous manager, um, did a uh, screen share Cause I had a question about something, just to show them. And they saw my emails, um, and then said that I needed to clean up my email inbox because it was just getting too much. Right, it's my email inbox. The way that I have this shit is the way that I have this shit. Half of these emails I'm not even fucking reading, so I really don't care, right, I don't.

Speaker 2: 33:35

I want to call it a certain micromanaging. Maybe they have ADHD and them saying all those emails was triggering for them and they probably said it in a joking manner, because that was something I would say oh, that's not joking. Or if he was being a literal ass about it, then that's a completely different story. But like what I mean. Micromanaging is like hey, I said like they'll send you a message on slap. Hey, three minutes later, uh, what are you doing? I've tried to reach you it sounds like a dude.

Speaker 1: 34:09

Sounds like a dude.

Speaker 2: 34:10

That's obsessed are they calling your phone? Hey, I tried to reach you on.

Speaker 1: 34:14

Slap what you're not responding to me what you got going on right are you up?

Speaker 2: 34:20

right like no, please do not do that. I I work best when you just let me chill, do what I need to do, and if you need something that needs to be done urgently, please say hey, this needs to be done urgently and I will. I will get it done. Yeah, there's no need for you to be like why are you working on this task for this x amount of time and why I can't reach you at?

Speaker 1: 34:46

you know, five minutes after I sent you a slap message, I could have been pissing all right, I'm dying on the bathroom floor yeah, yeah, I get what you mean I get what you're saying for sure, for sure. I um, yeah, I've had, I did have a manager like that. Yeah, that was a horrible. That was a job I actually left, like on my own terms, like it didn't get laid off. That was the job that I lost, it does usually yeah, or you get the misogynist manager.

Speaker 2: 35:23

I've had that before Working in tech. Mind you, there's not a lot of us females, not a lot at all. So I was on this team it was mostly men and my manager at the time is ex-military, tall guy but he was friendly, but he would say some of the misogynist things ever like. I remember there was some like contest or whatever, and he wanted me to like. He pulled me off the phones right to help decorate, because you know, women are so much better at decorating than men and I'm like okay, I guess that was a positive, but like. And then he would just like at the time, like me and my boyfriend were at the same place when we were together and like. So he would be like, asking him, like, oh, so does she? He's like no, I, she doesn't, I do most of the cooking.

Speaker 1: 36:25

And he was like oh, oh, he's one of those guys.

Speaker 2: 36:29

Yeah, I got, I got you Right, and like I played video games, I'm in the nerd shit and he's like oh that's not like.

Speaker 1: 36:44

I'm just like oh, yeah, one of those guys. Okay, yeah, one of those guys. Yeah, fuck that guy. Fuck that guy. I was have you let me? Yeah, I don't want to ask you that, but go ahead do you prefer a certain sex when it comes to a manager?

Speaker 2: 37:01

yes, actually, actually I do.

Speaker 1: 37:02

What do you prefer?

Speaker 2: 37:04

I actually prefer men as managers and I told you why Women managers are great. It's just my experience with women managers has not been great, especially when I worked at my old place. Well, two previous places of employment, yeah, the women manager I had were fucking they should not be managers, so when I first started, they should they just should not be anyways.

Speaker 2: 37:36

so, um, I, when I started working like my first big girl job or whatever like my idea, my first big girl job or whatever like my idea is my first big girl job, but like I would get called out for like the most weird shit ever, you making a big deal out of this because of what, and like nobody else was getting called out for this. But like they called me out why out for this?

Speaker 1: 38:06

but like she called me out why.

Speaker 2: 38:07

And then I remember I had I was like in training and she was like, yeah, I'm gonna keep you back. She's like this isn't a good job for you. She's like she's. She really said she's like this is not a good job, fit for you. And I was like, okay, I was like prove your ass wrong. And I ended up proving her wrong. So like she held me back, that's fine. So, uh, while she held me back during that month I made the leaderboard, had 100, 100 like on all my surveys, did all that shit, then transitioned to the floor, hit the leaderboard again and multiple accolades after that. And then I still worked there after that for another fucking almost eight years. So bitch, what the fuck you talking about that. This is not a good job fit for me bitch, what the fuck you talking about now?

Speaker 2: 39:01

huh, oh man that that pissed me off so bad when she said that I was like all right, whatever, I proved your ass wrong and I proved her wrong. And then, after that job, I went to another job and like the, it was just I don't. I don like if you have something to say about me, say it to my face, don't say it behind my back or where I can hear you in an earshot. So like my cube was literally in front of my manager, yeah, and so my manager well, my supervisor and my manager, so her boss would sit in her cube and just be talking shit about like employees on the floor Within earshot, like we all sit near each other we can hear you. And then she would be like condescending or whatever when you ask a question, like oh, I don't even know how to do this, it's just like whatever, I'll show you Whatever.

Speaker 2: 40:00

And like I would ask for like because when I went to this place there was no training program, no, nothing.

Speaker 2: 40:07

So literally what I had to do was like take a manual, go through the software, learn how to use it, do everything by myself, and then I had to go shadow people and see how they did things and things of that nature, which is okay, cool, I get it, that's fine. But there's some things that I'm not going to see in the manual, right, or, you know, I'm not going to see during chatter. So what the fuck am I supposed to do when these shit comes up? And then you're, they had like a knowledge base, but it really wasn't a knowledge base, it was just like a lot of out and the software was janky like anyways. So when you ask a question, she was like whatever. And then I remember I was, I had asked for her time off for my birthday and I asked this like months in advance, and so it's like a couple weeks before, not even a couple weeks, it's like a week or two before, and she wanted to deny it, talking about oh, you can't take this time off in january, what? There's no rule.

Speaker 1: 41:19

Right.

Speaker 2: 41:22

And so she was like whatever, you have to ask the boss about it. So I did. I sent him an email and I was like hey, I need to take off this time in January. I was told that we can't take time off in January. I've already made these travel plans. I can't get refunds. Can I have this time off? He was like I don't know why. You were told that you could take your time off, have fun or whatever. And then, last but not least, I like I told you like this you remember I told you the story. Like I got out of surgery. They're hounding and calling my phone that that's the minute. That was her. And when you move me off your team to another team and don't say anything, you could have just told me that I was moving teams. I don't need to find out in front of everybody. Like you could have just like yeah, that was the last straw for me. Like I was just like okay, I'm, I'm done. Like and after that I just found another job.

Speaker 1: 42:29

Like yeah, I do wonder if so I will. I would probably. I've had bad experiences with both, like like I've had some great female managers.

Speaker 2: 42:41

Don't get me wrong. Yeah, I have some great ones, but they're like they're. They're very few and far in between. Right, like my current one, amazing, love her, she's, she's great or whatever. But like those are the ones that really sour my mouth, like most of my guy managers, like they're cool to chill, they're like whatever. Um, they're not trying to like, nitpick or like if they don't like me, you know.

Speaker 1: 43:18

You know, I don't have those necessary problems with, like other managers, it's just yeah, this, okay, this might be whatever, but the last manager I had, she, I think she she tried to what's the word being the only woman like, I think she was trying to like be this like kind of like tough, type of like person, just so people won't, like, you know, give her shit or anything like that. Yeah, but that shit is horrible. Like her attitude was atrocious to third party vendors third party vendors. Being on a phone call with her was fucking embarrassing. It was fucking embarrassing because it's like why, why the fuck are you talking to this person like that?

Speaker 1: 44:20

And my, in my head I'm like would you talk to that person like that?

Speaker 1: 44:23

In my, in my head, I'm like would you talk to that person like that if this wasn't a work all If you, if you're not going to talk to that person the same way, if you have this attitude and you did a big head in this about yourself and you got this fucking attitude problem, would you say that same shit to that person If this wasn't in a certain work environment and you had this title on you, because when work is done, that title don't mean shit, except for what it is on that piece of paper, on that resume or you typed up as soon as you done working you just a regular motherfucker. So I always think like attitude was atrocious, and sometimes to the people on the team, and it's just like you need to fucking relax. God damn, like it some. And it's the same, for I had some male, I had, you know, a male manager who was just fucking annoying, just so fucking annoying, like nitpicky about certain things. Hey, you got to make sure you do that. I get that.

Speaker 2: 45:29

Do it this way. Yeah, this is the way I want this done.

Speaker 1: 45:32

Yeah, I get that. Whatever, that's fine, dude, if you have a certain way, you want shit done and you have that certain way whatever you do, it yeah. And it's just. It's just some shit. I'm just like man. I think some motherfuckers get into manager positions and either it gets to their head or they should have never been a manager in the first place. You, you tried it and I guess your best wasn't good enough, because nigga you had to have it before.

Speaker 2: 46:00

Like one of my managers. He, uh, he became a manager, got really big-headed about it, um, but ended up. What happened to him is he got drunk at a company function and was running around the hallways naked and next thing we know he got fired.

Speaker 1: 46:16

Damn man it this whole like career shit. Man, it's so much shit that people get, it's so much shit we can talk about that shit, but like, because it's just shit that we experience, it experienced and that we see and it's just the end. It's probably tons of other people that listen to this shit and they're just like, yeah, that person's a fucking shithead. Like it's every fucking way, it's every fucking way. But it's worse when this person is supposed to be managing your team and then they put on this two-faced shit when they're talking to your team but then when somebody above them comes in, it's like it's all rainbows and sunshine.

Speaker 2: 47:03

Like yeah, hi guys, how you been like yeah totally different, totally different.

Speaker 1: 47:09

And then it's almost to the point where you're just like okay, we need to go above this person and talk to this person and let them know what the fuck going on, because this shit is ridiculous and it's a horrible work environment.

Speaker 1: 47:25

And I guess that's the one big thing that I think a lot of people don't want to do, because it's like you don't want to go above, because then what if they have a conversation, like? Most of the time I feel like if somebody that's part of the team goes to somebody above the manager, what usually happens is the manager has it depends on the person higher up. Either that person higher up goes to other people that are on that team and says hey, can I talk to you about your manager? Think like their own call. Can you tell me how this person is, just how they are, how they treat people on the team and stuff like that? That's a great like person above them, right, department head, whatever, right, that's a great one. But then you got some motherfuckers that are on this whole like buddy, buddy type shit and they're like hey, I heard you talking to people that are rude as shit, and then some motherfuckers literally say the name of the person that told him that.

Speaker 2: 48:25

Yeah.

Speaker 1: 48:27

And then that person becomes like blackballed and then it's like oh yeah we got to get this motherfucker out here.

Speaker 1: 48:34

We he got to go, he she got to go. We can't be having people, you know, we can't have people, you know, stepping to us like that. We had honchos in this bitch nigga like that's and and that's horrible management. If a, if a company allows shit like that, you got it. Your best bet is to go. It's a lot of shit to this shit, you guys like, some companies are great, some companies are shit and some companies are just eh, or working on it. They can be better or worse. Um, yeah, damn, I feel like. I just like we just talked. That's why I love these random shits, man, cause you never know where these shits go. Man never know. Um, I can't think of anything else.

Speaker 1: 49:32

For real, for real no you got anything else you wanna add nope, I'm good, I got nothing else um, you guys, uh, like we said before, thank you guys for listening.

Speaker 1: 49:47

Please follow us on tiktok. All socials. Um, damn, what's that shit that we made? Blue sky, blue sky, um, I need to post more on it. Honestly, I forget, because it's just one of those like joints that's just like off in the off on the side, and when I post clips I can't like I can post everything at one time except for that. So, yeah, um, I didn't post more there, but it seems like I will say a lot of people like the and it could just be me hashtagging and stuff. But we do get a lot of response about like career shit, career, career stuff and click because everybody's trying to find a job right now we do not understand everybody like that.

Speaker 1: 50:36

That shit hits big.

Speaker 2: 50:38

It's really really big um I'm not even gonna lie lie to you. I don't really check our socials like that at all. Oh yeah.

Speaker 1: 50:45

I check them mostly. You know it's crazy. I only check the TikTok, that's it I don't check the video. I know the Facebook stuff goes to the Facebook and all that stuff.

Speaker 2: 50:54

So the only time I check it is when I get, like we get an Instagram message and it comes to my phone. Low, let me make sure he gets this. Here you go um.

Speaker 1: 51:02

But like we said, you guys next episode, um, I will say, well, it's gonna be nice. I think it's gonna be a really good episode, especially before the holiday yeah, um. So, like I said, thank you guys for listening and we will see you guys again later. Bye.